Yeah, so in the end I wasn't very happy with how the previous drawing turned out, so I wanted to at least try to remedy it a little. Thank you Nass in particular, as I did check on your referral to the Sycra guy's drawing stuff, and I did a quick sketch of a pose with foreshortening using the coil method he shows. I've not tried this before, and it's still baffling how to align stuff in 3d space, like getting the hips right, how to show legs bending and elevating, and especially how to have a waistline on a torso that's foreshortened, I guess it has to be really subtle or something, haven't figured it out yet. Anyway, here's the sketch...and if it isn't complete garbage as a baseline, I would like to turn it into a drawing, we'll see if that happens.